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Old 31-Jan-16, 06:25   #51
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تسمية نوبا طبقها الرومان لدعم بدو النوبات الجابوهم: وفضوها على المنطقة تبناها بعدهم العرب والاوربيين.


بطبقوها عليى اهلنا النوبيين لهدفين اتنين: الاول تدعيم تقسيم الحضارة لى واحدة مصرية بيضاء واخرى نوبية سوداء: عشان لما نفتح خشمنا عن احقيتنا فى عهد الاسرات يلزمونا باننا نوبيين وحدنا حلفا فقط


والهدف التانى هو توظيف اهلنا النوبيين لاقصاء بقية السودانيين لانهم هم النوبيين وحدهم وهذا ما تحاول فعله هنا




بخصوص المنتسبين للعباس: لا يمثلوننا وهم قلة : الاجيال الشابة واعي بى تاريخا وهويتا.
This exactly what am opposing, this twisting or revising history for purpose of misleading and constructing mythology for a political agenda. Kushite are Nubians, the original man of the Nile Valley is A Nubian. Kushite Civilizations was vast Kingdom covering the North Africa, modern day middle east and the whole western Asian region, hence, Indus Kush, in Asia. The people of this Kingdom were black people. Am aware of this history too. This planet was mainly populated with black people as it evidenced in black people of Tamil Nadu of India, black of history of Australia, black people throughout Asia and pacific islands. Anyway, this is ancient, and if we keep at it is gonna take us to the ancient Babylon ( Bab Allah ) or Babel and the Anunnakis of Nibiru, and from here you gonna galactic, to the Sirius star system and Draco system (Orion) . But our focus now, is planet earth, Nile valley region, ancient Nubia ( present day Sudan ) .
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Am aware of that history Sir, there's no need to mentioned it to me. I know Sudanese history very well , Sir. Our problem is the racist Arabization and forced Islamization, genocidal wars against the indigenous peoples of Sudan. The oppression, injustices and religion persecution imposed on them. That was history and we were then our own rulers in those eras . We are concerned with today's problems.


nuba SALATINS of Tagali ABBASYIA

were played ain rules to impose arabization in sudan:

also they participate on slave trade with the Fur slatins in fashir: darfur and nuba tagaly hv imported more than 3000 slave to egypt and turkya via darb alarb3een ,, this is decumented



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ABBASYIA???


3DEEEEL KIDA?


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This exactly what am opposing, this twisting or revising history for purpose of misleading and constructing mythology for a political agenda. Kushite are Nubians, the original man of the Nile Valley is A Nubian. Kushite Civilizations was vast Kingdom covering the North Africa, modern day middle east and the whole western Asian region, hence, Indus Kush, in Asia. The people of this Kingdom were black people. Am aware of this history too. This planet was mainly populated with black people as it evidenced in black people of Tamil Nadu of India, black of history of Australia, black people throughout Asia and pacific islands. Anyway, this is ancient, and if we keep at it is gonna take us to the ancient Babylon ( Bab Allah ) or Babel and the Anunnakis of Nibiru, and from here you gonna galactic, to the Sirius star system and Draco system (Orion) . But our focus now, is planet earth, Nile valley region, ancient Nubia ( present day Sudan ) .

Nubia" was a term coined by the Romans to describe the region south of Egypt. The Egyptians themselves have NEVER used that term but specifically list the various polities or peoples who lived in the region. It is likely that the Roman's word "Nubia" is derived from the Egyptian word "nub" meaning gold, as the areas south of Egypt is very much rich in that metal. However, the closest thing to "Nubia" the Egyptians used was Nubti which was a city in Egypt.

Once again spelling it out: The idea of "Nubians" as a distinct "race" of Black Africans mysteriously loitering about Ancient Egypt is a critical propaganda device for Eurocentrism.

It allows them to explain away anything in Kemet that is irrefutably African or obviously Black - as Nubian and therefore not Egyptian.

Obversely, anything of value that is "Nubian" - is just as easily reclaimed as Egyptian - and therefore non African, and non Black.

First you back the victim into a corner - then you steal his positions.

Specifically:

* Everything African or Black is called Nubian.

* Everything Nubian that is of value is called Egyptian.

* Therefore nothing of value is African or Black.

This game of cat and mouse is even played with the Qustal incense burner.


Time to stop being bamboozled by "nubianology".
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Nub.t Nubu Nubiu....the golden city, the golden ones, gold miners.

A native "Kemetic term" for Kemetic peoples and places.


"Nubia" is the apartheid discourse in history.

Apartheid in South Africa is the ideology whereby Europeans claim African land.

Apartheid in Eurocentric pseudo-history is the ideology whereby Europeans claim ancient Afriacn civilisations.

Africans learn this discourse from Europeans.

By thinking critically, we can examine the evidence and easily deconstruct the apartheid discourse.

Tracy L. Prowse and Nancy C. Lovell (1996) "Concordance of Cranial and Dental Morphological Traits and
Evidence for Endogamy in Ancient Egypt," _Am. J. Phys. Anthropol. http://www.sudanforum.net/showthread.php?t=59166
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This exactly what am opposing, this twisting or revising history for purpose of misleading and constructing mythology for a political agenda. Kushite are Nubians, the original man of the Nile Valley is A Nubian. Kushite Civilizations was vast Kingdom covering the North Africa, modern day middle east and the whole western Asian region, hence, Indus Kush, in Asia. The people of this Kingdom were black people. Am aware of this history too. This planet was mainly populated with black people as it evidenced in black people of Tamil Nadu of India, black of history of Australia, black people throughout Asia and pacific islands. Anyway, this is ancient, and if we keep at it is gonna take us to the ancient Babylon ( Bab Allah ) or Babel and the Anunnakis of Nibiru, and from here you gonna galactic, to the Sirius star system and Draco system (Orion) . But our focus now, is planet earth, Nile valley region, ancient Nubia ( present day Sudan ) .



the historical nae of today sudan was always : TA SETI



since the pre dynastic to the time of kush

the area from LUXUR TO UGANDA WAS ALWAYS NAED TA SETI




NOT NUBIA


all kushite kings hv said they were kushites from ta seti



you can readvtheir own stelas and plates
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nuba SALATINS of Tagali ABBASYIA

were played ain rules to impose arabization in sudan:

also they participate on slave trade with the Fur slatins in fashir: darfur and nuba tagaly hv imported more than 3000 slave to egypt and turkya via darb alarb3een ,, this is decumented



BTW:


ABBASYIA???


3DEEEEL KIDA?


This is pathetic argument, not worth responding to.
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انا ما مؤتمر وطنى ولا حركة اسلامي ولا يوجد ما يربطنى بالبشير:


عشان تنسبوا لى: لو قاصد انه ينتمى لقبيلتى فدا غلط : لانو البشير ما جعلى حسب شعادة اخوه عبدالله البشير..




وحتى لو افترضنا انو جعلى عبدالرحيم وبكرى ومصطفى والاف الضباط والارزقية وتجارالاثار والتجار والراسمالية النوبيين ومنتسبى ومنتفعى النظام ديك حتودى وشك منهم وين؟




بمناسبة السدود:

سد الشريك وسد مروى الاتنفذ ما سمعناكم تتكلموا عنهم لييه؟

طبعا حنك تعملوا ليكم بكائية بتاعة سدود بقت ما ماش لى قدام لانو من تتهموهم ببناء السدود هم ذاااتم مستهدفين زيكم واحد بسد الشريك


في النهايه هو مستعرب زيك ( وانا قاصد كوز )
اما بكري وغيرو فحسابهم عسير ايضا
وبمناسبة السدود نحن ندافع عن ارضنا
واستشهد من استشهد ولن يقوم سد اخر علي اراضينا
مهما كان الثمن
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Ya, Basbous, am glad that you see my point. This is the truth. Let's embrace the truth and the truth shall set us free. A secular, democratic, civil state that respects the rights of all its citizens regardless of color, religion, race, gender and age is possible. Indeed. New Sudan wayeeaaaa! Freedom wayeaaa!
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the historical nae of today sudan was always : TA SETI



since the pre dynastic to the time of kush

the area from LUXUR TO UGANDA WAS ALWAYS NAED TA SETI




NOT NUBIA


all kushite kings hv said they were kushites from ta seti



you can readvtheir own stelas and plates
I know you're a well educated person, with interest in archeology, and very political but I doubt it if you even understand the term Taseti ( TA seti ) . Iam not an archeologist but when it comes to reading history and ancient history books and documents , and analyzing them and putting all the pieces together. It's an different story, I know about hidden history the general public don't know anything about. You've no clue what Taseti means or what was it.
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Ya, Basbous, am glad that you see my point. This is the truth. Let's embrace the truth and the truth shall set us free. A secular, democratic, civil state that respects the rights of all its citizens regardless of color, religion, race, gender and age is possible. Indeed. New Sudan wayeeaaaa! Freedom wayeaaa!


فعلا هي الحقيقه والسودان بلد متنوع ومتعدد
لا بد من ان ننظر لانفسنا كسودانيين اولا
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فعلا هي الحقيقه والسودان بلد متنوع ومتعدد
لا بد من ان ننظر لانفسنا كسودانيين اولا
This is what's we have been calling for all our life, New Sudan, a democratic, secular, civil state but the Islamists in Khartoum insisted on an Islamic Arab Republic, look! where it has gotten us? Dr. John Garang had stated that Arabism can not save us, Africanism as opposed to Arabism can not save us. But Sudanism can save us. Are the racist, Islamic Arabists, paying attention to any of this wisdom, no , they're still crying Allahu Akbar, and carrying out genocide against the blacks as we speak now. Any body cares? No, this perfectly normal and okay thing as long as they're save in Khartoum, they don't care.
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This is what's we have been calling for all our life, New Sudan, a democratic, secular, civil state but the Islamists in Khartoum insisted on an Islamic Arab Republic, look! where it has gotten us? Dr. John Garang had stated that Arabism can not save us, Africanism as opposed to Arabism can not save us. But Sudanism can save us. Are the racist, Islamic Arabists, paying attention to any of this wisdom, no , they're still crying Allahu Akbar, and carrying out genocide against the blacks as we speak now. Any body cares? No, this perfectly normal and okay thing as long as they're save in Khartoum, they don't care.



ياعزيزي في الخرطوم وغيره من الولايات الكيزان لا يهمهم الا انفسهم ( فقط )
فهم يعيشون في نعيم وحاملين لجوازات اجنبيه والمقصود هنا المنتفعين اما المطبلون
والمغنواتيه فهم مجرد زفه في السيره
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طالما سكان واهالي جنوب دنقلا حتي سوبا ناكرين اصولهم
ومتسلبطين في الاعراب فااااااااااااا لينا الحق كنوبيين نتمسك
بي تاريخنا واصولنا السؤال ده مفروض توجهو لاحفاد العباس
العباس ده زاتو ماعرفنا كان ود ابرك ولا شنو فقع لينا الامه دي كولها

أحفاد الخزرج وكنز الدولة ما تشيف


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في النهايه هو مستعرب زيك ( وانا قاصد كوز )
اما بكري وغيرو فحسابهم عسير ايضا
وبمناسبة السدود نحن ندافع عن ارضنا
واستشهد من استشهد ولن يقوم سد اخر علي اراضينا
مهما كان الثمن
الاستعراب لاحقك

اهم خصاءصه الانتساب للعرب وتحدث اللغة العربية والاتنين عندك
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الاستعراب لاحقك

اهم خصاءصه الانتساب للعرب وتحدث اللغة العربية والاتنين عندك


وما رايك في بقية الافارقه المتحدثين باللغه الانجليزيه او الفرنسيه
هل هم انجليز ام فرنسيين

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وما رايك في بقية الافارقه المتحدثين باللغه الانجليزيه او الفرنسيه
هل هم انجليز ام فرنسيين

ديك متاوربين ومتفرنسين زى ما انت مستعرب...
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الملاحظ انه عندما يتحدث النوبيين في مصر عن حضارتهم يقصر الحديث علي المناطق الجنوبية يعني من اسوان وانت نازل
وهي المناطق الشمالية لمملكة كوش
ولا يجرؤ نوبة مصر المغلوبين علي امرهم علي تسمية الحضارة الفرعونية بالنوبية، ولا يمكنهم السلبطة حتي علي آثار إدفو والأقصر القريبة نسبياً لمناطق وجودهم، ناهيك عن الآثار الموجودة في الجيزة وغيرها من مناطق مصر السفلي
وتعرف حضارة مصر بشقيها العليا والسفلي بالحضارة الفرعونية والحضارة المصرية
والويل كل الويل لمن يطلق عليها اي مُسمي اخر
ولكن في السودان تجدهم يكاوشوا علي كل شئ باسلوب قنوات البي ان سبورت
فهم الورثة الوحيدين للحضارة الكوشية لانهم برطنوا
وهم احفاد الملوك "النوبيين" تهارقا وبعانخي ملوك مملكة نبتة "النوبية"
وامتد الامر الي اهرامات نبتة فاضيفت لها لاحقة "نوبة" لتصبح اهرامات النوبة
ولم تسلم حتي اهرامات مروي وآثار النقعة والمصورات رغم بعدها

يمكن ان يكون النوبيين من الكوشيين ولكن لايعقل ان يكونوا كل الكوشيين
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Sultan, I know very well that you're not the one piloting the Sudanese ship, and your concern is only your posture of over intellectualism which's totally irrelevant to the arrogant Arabization and forced islamization in Sudan. The so-called Arabs now self-claimed Sudanese. In their minds there are two kinds of Sudanese , there are Sudanese plus ( Sudanese + ) and Sudanese minus ( Sudanese - ) . When they say Sudanese, they mean themselves, Arabists. This is can be proved by their racist national policies in all the governments that ruled Sudan since independence and now the genocidal wars they're waging against the indigenous people of Sudan. We don't Believe the horse shit, they are packaging in this racist Sudanese identity which they've been propelling since the time the Arabs enter Nubia. When we tell them , let's have secular, democratic Sudan, they jump up, no we want an Islamic, Arab republic. When we assume our identity like Nubians, Bejians , Darfurians, they accuse us of racism and tribalism. They can not walk the straight line.

My concerns are genuine ya Karkar and they go to the issue of solution. Historical revisionism by you or others contribute little and set us on a course that is unsustainable.

The "So called Arabs" or "so-called-Cushites" or so-called what have you are all part of the historical/political and social landscape of country. To find a way to coexist and prosper in freedom requires that we focus our energies on the future not an ancient past no one can ever verify or put to good use in this problem we face today.

When I say Sudanese .. I mean every one who resides within the borders of the Sudan .. the new settlers (from Mauritania, Mali, Chad, Niger, and Burkina Faso) among the Ginjaweed not withstanding. What you mean by Sudanese and what "they" what ever the "they" means is not a concern of mine!

Ps: There is no identity called "Darfurian" just like the Nuba Mountains or Southern Blue Nile are not part of the South (please tell your Western sponsors)! Darfur the Sultanate was first controlled politically by the Dague, Tungur, and ultimately the Fur ..etc. Beyond that it is home to many different tribes some sedentary and some nomadic .. some have their own languages and customs and others speak Arabic as an only language .. all are moslem.


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Sultan Kabbir! The future, civil, democratic state of Sudan , you're talking about, is it secular another Islamic nonsense again, and Arabists blah-blah-blah?
Again when you fail to understand .. try and ask for clarification. Making erroneous assumptions may make you feel good, but you will ultimately pay the price for your own ignorance!

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CPA was not our goal, it was actually forced, and coerced agreement and even then it was purposely derailed.
Yep, I believe you! Forced on you is that the best you can come up with!? What have you done since then not to be forced into an agreement against your will!? I see the same interlocutors playing the same game using the same means … yet you expect a different outcome!! You know this is the definition of insanity!!!!!
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Woooooooo! I was just having fun with Sudanese one, academically, teasing him , whiling exposing his insidious political agenda, where he was purposely revising history to construct a mythology for the racist Arabist ideology which is at the core of the Kizan's racist Arabists Islamic fundamentalism in the Sudanese politics ; but lo and behold, a sensitive nerve was unintentionally struck, and a stream of blood is profusely gushing out like an artisan well which has been struck. Yes, truth is indeed super bitter. It's a king of bitter. And the truth shall set you free. Indeed! The racist Arabists are out against the truth with their bare teeth. Oh, great maker of the universe, even wild orangutans don't attack violently like this. It seems that Karkar has cracked opened a cesspool of hypocritical snakes. Oh, Pandora box, now, they're crawling about every where in the bushes and God knows where else. Beware, folks, a nest have been disturbed. But anyway, it makes no difference, since they are openly carrying out genocidal, military campaigns in Nuba Mountains, Darfur and Sinnar.

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Sultan Kabbir, you've touched very important points. I'll get back to you as soon as time permits, thank you.
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Old 01-Feb-16, 08:42   #71
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الملاحظ انه عندما يتحدث النوبيين في مصر عن حضارتهم يقصر الحديث علي المناطق الجنوبية يعني من اسوان وانت نازل
وهي المناطق الشمالية لمملكة كوش
ولا يجرؤ نوبة مصر المغلوبين علي امرهم علي تسمية الحضارة الفرعونية بالنوبية، ولا يمكنهم السلبطة حتي علي آثار إدفو والأقصر القريبة نسبياً لمناطق وجودهم، ناهيك عن الآثار الموجودة في الجيزة وغيرها من مناطق مصر السفلي
وتعرف حضارة مصر بشقيها العليا والسفلي بالحضارة الفرعونية والحضارة المصرية
والويل كل الويل لمن يطلق عليها اي مُسمي اخر
ولكن في السودان تجدهم يكاوشوا علي كل شئ باسلوب قنوات البي ان سبورت
فهم الورثة الوحيدين للحضارة الكوشية لانهم برطنوا
وهم احفاد الملوك "النوبيين" تهارقا وبعانخي ملوك مملكة نبتة "النوبية"
وامتد الامر الي اهرامات نبتة فاضيفت لها لاحقة "نوبة" لتصبح اهرامات النوبة
ولم تسلم حتي اهرامات مروي وآثار النقعة والمصورات رغم بعدها

يمكن ان يكون النوبيين من الكوشيين ولكن لايعقل ان يكونوا كل الكوشيين

طالما البقيه ناكرين اصولهم وافريقيتهم يبقي من حقنا نكون اصحاب الحضاره نحن
واقصد هنا من يدعون بانهم احفاد العباس ومن يتمسكون بالعروبه كمصدر فخر لهم فنحن ايضا من حقنا ان نفتخر مش كده عدل برضو
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طالما البقيه ناكرين اصولهم وافريقيتهم يبقي من حقنا نكون اصحاب الحضاره نحن
واقصد هنا من يدعون بانهم احفاد العباس ومن يتمسكون بالعروبه كمصدر فخر لهم فنحن ايضا من حقنا ان نفتخر مش كده عدل برضو
دة كان زمان

اسي خلوه العباس وجو راجعين لى حقهم فى تاريخهم..

والقال حقي غلب
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دة كان زمان

اسي خلوه العباس وجو راجعين لى حقهم فى تاريخهم..

والقال حقي غلب


اسع بجو ينطو ليك في حلقك
العروبه عندهم اهم من كلو
ياحبيب انا وانت متاكدين من الحته دي
لكن هم لا
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طالما البقيه ناكرين اصولهم وافريقيتهم يبقي من حقنا نكون اصحاب الحضاره نحن
واقصد هنا من يدعون بانهم احفاد العباس ومن يتمسكون بالعروبه كمصدر فخر لهم فنحن ايضا من حقنا ان نفتخر مش كده عدل برضو


علي العكس يا اخي
نورهم باصولهم علهم يصحوا من الوهم والاستلاب دا
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Old 01-Feb-16, 14:06   #75
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علي العكس يا اخي
نورهم باصولهم علهم يصحوا من الوهم والاستلاب دا
تعرف يا استاذ راسبوتين فى عملنا احتكاك باغلب الجنسيات , فى واحد عربى مرة نادانى بى يا اخ العرب ,, قلت ليه صحح معلوماتك انا سودانى افريقى وليس بعربى , عندها انطلقت اسارير هذا العربى ومن لحظتها ايقنت ان العرب عندما ينادوننا بيا العربى او اخا العرب انهم يستهزؤن بنا بغرض السخرية , ويعرفون اننا ليس بعرب ولكن يريدون ان يروا وجهة نظرنا فى ماهى هويتنا , فانا سودانى افريقى وافتخر بذلك وافتخر بسمرة لونى التى يستعير منها الاخرين , دمت بالف خير يا ابن الهوية الافريقية والسودانية .
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تعرف يا استاذ راسبوتين فى عملنا احتكاك باغلب الجنسيات , فى واحد عربى مرة نادانى بى يا اخ العرب ,, قلت ليه صحح معلوماتك انا سودانى افريقى وليس بعربى , عندها انطلقت اسارير هذا العربى ومن لحظتها ايقنت ان العرب عندما ينادوننا بيا العربى او اخا العرب انهم يستهزؤن بنا بغرض السخرية , ويعرفون اننا ليس بعرب ولكن يريدون ان يروا وجهة نظرنا فى ماهى هويتنا , فانا سودانى افريقى وافتخر بذلك وافتخر بسمرة لونى التى يستعير منها الاخرين , دمت بالف خير يا ابن الهوية الافريقية والسودانية .


تحياتي اخ غريب الدار

لحدي اسه ما لقيت لي فائدة واحده جنيناها من السلبطة المصرين نعيش نفسنا فيها دي، صحيح يمكن ان تعود عضوية جامعة الدولة العربية ببعض النفع ولكنها تبقي منظمة سياسية العضوية فيها شئ والبنعمل فيهو دا شئ تاني
ذبحونا بقصة اصلاً قبيلتنا جات من العراق ولا نجد والمغرب والاندلس ولا من الخزرج ، وجدي شريف جاء من الحجاز وامي اصولها مصرية لكن حبوبتي تركية الخ....
العزاءالوحيد انو الحاجات دي قاعد تحصل في حتات تانية، بتلقاها في اندونيسيا وفي السنغال وفي مصر وكل ديار الاسلام، كله داير ينتسب لي قريش
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Hmmmm! A plethora of identity crisis, well not my problems, my problem is with those who insist on Islamic Arabic Republic and have ruined our beloved Nation with this sick ideology. Those who are saying we're Sudanese, they must know that Sudanism is nationalism not a race. And definitely, what ever Sudanese nationalism the racist Arabists have in their minds is not Sudanese Nationalism that we are calling for. We are calling for democratic, secular, Sudanese nationalism that embraces all people of Sudan regardless of race, religion, colour and so forth; not the bloody, racist , Islamic, Arabist ideology which is being purported in the current Sudanese politics. Sudan Jadeed wayeaa! Freedom wayeaaa. Down! Down! With old racist Sudan.
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My concerns are genuine ya Karkar and they go to the issue of solution. Historical revisionism by you or others contribute little and set us on a course that is unsustainable.

The "So called Arabs" or "so-called-Cushites" or so-called what have you are all part of the historical/political and social landscape of country. To find a way to coexist and prosper in freedom requires that we focus our energies on the future not an ancient past no one can ever verify or put to good use in this problem we face today.

When I say Sudanese .. I mean every one who resides within the borders of the Sudan .. the new settlers (from Mauritania, Mali, Chad, Niger, and Burkina Faso) among the Ginjaweed not withstanding. What you mean by Sudanese and what "they" what ever the "they" means is not a concern of mine!

Ps: There is no identity called "Darfurian" just like the Nuba Mountains or Southern Blue Nile are not part of the South (please tell your Western sponsors)! Darfur the Sultanate was first controlled politically by the Dague, Tungur, and ultimately the Fur ..etc. Beyond that it is home to many different tribes some sedentary and some nomadic .. some have their own languages and customs and others speak Arabic as an only language .. all are moslem.




Again when you fail to understand .. try and ask for clarification. Making erroneous assumptions may make you feel good, but you will ultimately pay the price for your own ignorance!



Yep, I believe you! Forced on you is that the best you can come up with!? What have you done since then not to be forced into an agreement against your will!? I see the same interlocutors playing the same game using the same means … yet you expect a different outcome!! You know this is the definition of insanity!!!!!
Sultan Kabbir, how are you ? , I know very that you get really pissed off , when Karkar spits out truth like a mad dragon 🐲 spitting out fire, but let's face it, truth is truth, and there no running away or hiding from it. Let's bravely face the reality, so that peace and freedom can be truly realized. I'm genuinely into the truth movement, history revision is not my thing. It's a preoccupation of the racist Arabists. And I understand why they do so, is because they've to cover up their lies and hidden, racist agenda. If you say, that your concerns are real, then please preach them to Bashir and his racist Arabist goons. Please, do that please. I'm of no concern to you at all, as you may have imagined. I'm a being with a good and benevolent intention. Have no fear, my fellow human being! I'm a seeker of justice, freedom, peace, and oh, one more thing knowledge. And one more, but this one is on the need to know basis.

I don't agree with you on your belittling of our identity as Nubians, we've a just cause. Legitimate grievances and I can't allow you to obscure our cause or our identity.

Last one on CPA, what am I doing not to be duped again ? Even if I know of a way out of this entrapment, do you think I would or could tell you? The way out of this mess is for your folks to abandon their racist, pathological, Islamic, Arabist, political ideology and embrace democratic values that are rooted in a secular, fair constitution that would be far away from dogmatic, religious, racist demagoguery, ideology.

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Sultan Kabbir, how are you ? , I know very that you get really pissed off , when Karkar spits out truth like a mad dragon 🐲 spitting out fire, but let's face it, truth is truth, and there no running away or hiding from it. Let's bravely face the reality, so that peace and freedom can be truly realized. I'm genuinely into the truth movement, history revision is not my thing. It's a preoccupation of the racist Arabists. And I understand why they do so, is because they've to cover up their lies and hidden, racist agenda. If you say, that your concerns are real, then please preach them to Bashir and his racist Arabist goons. Please, do that please. I'm of no concern to you at all, as you may have imagined. I'm a being with a good and benevolent intention. Have no fear, my fellow human being! I'm a seeker of justice, freedom, peace, and oh, one more thing knowledge. And one more, but this one is on the need to know basis.

I don't agree with you on your belittling of our identity as Nubians, we've a just cause. Legitimate grievances and I can't allow you to obscure our cause or our identity.

Last one on CPA, what am I doing not to be duped again ? Even if I know of a way out of this entrapment, do you think I would or could tell you? The way out of this mess is for your folks to abandon their racist, pathological, Islamic, Arabist, political ideology and embrace democratic values that are rooted in a secular, fair constitution that would be far away from dogmatic, religious, racist demagoguery, ideology.
Putting the hyperbole aside .. your leadership was not duped .. it was their agenda. It never prepared its grassroots for anything but secession. The same “agenda” is being pursued and prosecuted using the same means, venues, and facilitators .. no other options are pursued or even entertained!

Ya Karkar marginalization is real in the Sudan, but overcoming it can’t happen with this sort of infantile debate!

Personally, I have always known that there is no liberation by proxy (so thank you but no thanks SPLM/A liberators or SLA or what have you) nor is there national liberation by Fur, Zagwa, Nuba, .., etc. This route has two possible outcomes: secession or power sharing to appease your Commanders and leave the masses of the marginalized in the same squalor! The day Agar came to Khartoum he said he was done fighting for others , the day he lost his job as governor he went back to wanting to liberate the Sudan. Ironically, in this transformation the SPLM-N jettisoned its political wing without so much as a word as to why to those wretched souls it claims to want liberate!

Moreover, some of us have always recognized that chauvinistic ideas, policies exist and their very existences inspire the same reaction among the elites advocating/claiming to fight the marginalization of their masses. Your discourse here is a very good example of the later!

For the record I did not belittle your identity, I said how you self-identify is essentially for you to decide and deal with (it is unhealthy to seek the approval of others like a child). I accept you as a Sudanese of equal worth in 2016 (I don’t care what may or may not have happened hundreds or thousands of years ago) and the only requirement is that we remain equal in this association (the Sudan) .. identities (real or Imagined) can not be used to prosecute the legitimate conflict over entitlements.

Rather than listening to what I said you kept ranting and raving like a demagogue about Arabist/Islamists two things I am not!
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Sultan Kabbir! Haiy! Haiy! Haiy, Sultan Kabbir, let's just say that l know that you know that I know that you know something and vise versa, but we're not gonna talk about it here. Let's got something straight, we're not separatists, we are unionists seeking and fighting for a New Sudan that will be governed by a fair, secular constitution that embraces all of its citizens on equal footing without any discrimination be it; race, color, religion and gender. This our demands. And I don't know what you mean by me being on a discourse, and an infantile raving like a demagogue . Sultan Kabbir , truth is truth , wither is told by an infantile child, or by a raving lunatic, it's still the truth. You're in fear of the New Sudan that we've been and are preaching for. I don't know why is this so? Could it be that you want to keep the status quo of the old system in a sublime manner with all bureaucratic entrapments and technocrats at the helm. Is that what you're seeking? Ya Sultan Kabbir, if so , it's sad to tell you that this system is also obsolete. It wouldn't work in the 21st century. There's no chance for it. Sultan, reality is a reality, a genocidal war is being waged against people of Darfur, Nuba Mountains and Sinnar provinces, all in the name Allah, and Arabist ideology and here, you're labeling me as a raving demagogue for speaking out against the racist, genocidal war being waged against my people by the racist Arabists wanting to impose a racist, Islamic Arabist ideology which everyone knows about. What do you expect me to do? Be silent and quite about it like you? No, and no again. Enough is enough. No for racist ideology and institutions.

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المشكلة في السودان ان الدولة سبقت الامة
تم رسم الخريطة اولاً
وطلب من سكان المنطقة الاندماج والتعايش
لا توجد امة سودانية واحدة
كما انه لم توجد هوية سودانوية من قبل
ولم توجد حتي الان
والحاصل دا كله تجارب لتكوينها
والحصيلة فشل ذريع
وستين سنة قابلة للزيادة من الحرب الاهلية

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المشكلة في السودان ان الدولة سبقت الامة
تم رسم الخريطة اولاً
وطلب من سكان المنطقة الاندماج والتعايش
لا توجد امة سودانية واحدة
كما انه لم توجد هوية سودانوية من قبل
ولم توجد حتي الان
والحاصل دا كله تجارب لتكوينها
والحصيلة فشل ذريع
وستين سنة قابلة للزيادة من الحرب الاهلية

Stop beating around the bush! The problem in Sudan is Arabist racism, oppression, injustice and genocidal wars against Africans. Period! And forced Islamization. Full stop!
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المشكلة في السودان ان الدولة سبقت الامة
تم رسم الخريطة اولاً
وطلب من سكان المنطقة الاندماج والتعايش
لا توجد امة سودانية واحدة
كما انه لم توجد هوية سودانوية من قبل
ولم توجد حتي الان
والحاصل دا كله تجارب لتكوينها
والحصيلة فشل ذريع
وستين سنة قابلة للزيادة من الحرب الاهلية

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السودانوية (الهوية الحضارية السودانية) هذه تعود لعهد الحضارة المروية وتتواصل عبر الممالك المسيحية والسلطنات (في الوسط والغرب والشمال والشرق) والكيانات الافريقية والقبلية في الجنوب ودخول الحراك الصوفي الذي مازج بين القديم والدعوة الجديدة .. دخول واستيطان واندماج جاليات الكنيسة المشرقية وفي النضال من أجل الديمقراطية السيادة الوطنية .. تجاوز أي من هذه المكونات المتنوعة يفقد هويتنا زخمها وتنوعها واستدامتها .. ويعرضها للاستقطاب

لا يمكن استيعاب الهوية الحضارية بمعزل عن التنوع والتباين الذي لازم تكوينها .. وهذه هي معضلتنا مع أجندات الاستعلاء والاستعلاء المضاد

وهذه الأجندات الاستعلائية تدفعها نخب لها مشروع يسعى للهيمنة على المقدرات الوطنية وفي شكلها المضاد تدفعها نخب الهامش حتى تكمل سيطرتها على جماهيرها من أجل صنع ما يمكن من ان تقايضه مع القوى التي تهيمن على المركز مقابل حصولها على "حصة" من تلك المقدرات لنفسها لا لجماهيرها

في تقديري الصراع الأساس يدور حول المقدرات الوطنية الشحن العنصري والطائفي والمذهبي هو شحن تعبوي يهدف لتغبيش الوعي وتوطين الاستلاب حتى يسهل تجيش الجماهير

وجود الدولة (كتركة استعمارية) كان يحتاج إلى تطويرها لتصبح دولة وطنية ديمقراطية .. لكن طبيعة النخب الوطنية التي ورثت هذه الدولة بعد الاستقلال دفعها لمحاولة المحافظة على مكتسباتها الشيء الذي مهد للصراع وكل ما تتراجع هذه الدولة يصبح الصراع أسير أدوات (قبلية وجهوية ودينية وحربية) أكثر تخلفا .. وكل ما يتواصل الفتق كلما يصعب رتقه وهذا ما يعزز الدعاوي الانفصالية والانعزالية الكامنة في تشكيلاتنا الاجتماعية
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Wow, Sudanism! According to Sultan Kabbir's understanding, hmmm! ? How come no mentioned of political Islam and outright racist Arabization policies which have caused so much ills for this beloved nation. Just want to add some salt, this Sultan Kabbir's soup is lacking favour. It needs to be flavored. Sudanization or Sudanism is a nationalism not a civilization. Just a correction , to eliminate some confusion, here. Get to the root causes of the political problems in Sudan, please, no beating around the bushes. Thank you!
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Stop beating around the bush! The problem in Sudan is Arabist racism, oppression, injustice and genocidal wars against Africans. Period! And forced Islamization. Full stop!


عنصرية ما يطلق عليه العرب جزء من المشكلة
و برضو العنصرية المضادة جزء اخر
و ارجع اقول ليك ماحصل تكونت قومية سودانية
اللهم الا اذا كنت انت ساعي لتكوينها جديد او بتتمني تحقيقها
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السودانوية (الهوية الحضارية السودانية) هذه تعود لعهد الحضارة المروية وتتواصل عبر الممالك المسيحية والسلطنات (في الوسط والغرب والشمال والشرق) والكيانات الافريقية والقبلية في الجنوب ودخول الحراك الصوفي الذي مازج بين القديم والدعوة الجديدة .. دخول واستيطان واندماج جاليات الكنيسة المشرقية وفي النضال من أجل الديمقراطية السيادة الوطنية .. تجاوز أي من هذه المكونات المتنوعة يفقد هويتنا زخمها وتنوعها واستدامتها .. ويعرضها للاستقطاب

لا يمكن استيعاب الهوية الحضارية بمعزل عن التنوع والتباين الذي لازم تكوينها .. وهذه هي معضلتنا مع أجندات الاستعلاء والاستعلاء المضاد

وهذه الأجندات الاستعلائية تدفعها نخب لها مشروع يسعى للهيمنة على المقدرات الوطنية وفي شكلها المضاد تدفعها نخب الهامش حتى تكمل سيطرتها على جماهيرها من أجل صنع ما يمكن من ان تقايضه مع القوى التي تهيمن على المركز مقابل حصولها على "حصة" من تلك المقدرات لنفسها لا لجماهيرها

في تقديري الصراع الأساس يدور حول المقدرات الوطنية الشحن العنصري والطائفي والمذهبي هو شحن تعبوي يهدف لتغبيش الوعي وتوطين الاستلاب حتى يسهل تجيش الجماهير

وجود الدولة (كتركة استعمارية) كان يحتاج إلى تطويرها لتصبح دولة وطنية ديمقراطية .. لكن طبيعة النخب الوطنية التي ورثت هذه الدولة بعد الاستقلال دفعها لمحاولة المحافظة على مكتسباتها الشيء الذي مهد للصراع وكل ما تتراجع هذه الدولة يصبح الصراع أسير أدوات (قبلية وجهوية ودينية وحربية) أكثر تخلفا .. وكل ما يتواصل الفتق كلما يصعب رتقه وهذا ما يعزز الدعاوي الانفصالية والانعزالية الكامنة في تشكيلاتنا الاجتماعية


تحياتي سلطان

تشريح منطقي للازمة صاحبته رصانة في اللفظ
ولكن يبقي ما ذكرته في الشق الاول حول الهوية الحضارية مكونات متنافرة لم يكتب لها الامتزاج حتي الان

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عنصرية ما يطلق عليه العرب جزء من المشكلة
و برضو العنصرية المضادة جزء اخر
و ارجع اقول ليك ماحصل تكونت قومية سودانية
اللهم الا اذا كنت انت ساعي لتكوينها جديد او بتتمني تحقيقها
فما تحملهم الوزر ساي


Demanding that things be put right or be corrected or be done the right way is not racism. It's a principle. There's no such thing as a reversed racism on the racist Arabists in Sudan. How could it be there when they control all political, economic and social institutions. This phenomenon called reversed racism on the racist Arabists is defensive mechanism devised or invented by the racist Arabists themselves to protect their racist institutions in Sudan. Darrabni, wa bakka, wa sabbagni, wa masha ishtakani. New Sudan project, it's a responsibility for all Sudanese, young, old, educated, illiterate and men and women. We must all work to toward it. Sudan jadeed wayeaaa!
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تحياتي سلطان

تشريح منطقي للازمة صاحبته رصانة في اللفظ
ولكن يبقي ما ذكرته في الشق الاول حول الهوية الحضارية مكونات متنافرة لم يكتب لها الامتزاج حتي الان

شكرا راسبوتين

في مسألة أسبقية الدولة وطرحها كمسألة استعمارية بحتة نظلم أنفسنا لان الاستعمار وجد فضاء سياسي متنوع ليغزوه فضاء معلوم المساحة بفضل علاقات قائمة بين كياناته المختلفة!ء

السودانوية هي تعبير لمكونات الهوية الحضارية للسودان وهي اعتراف بهذا التنوع دون استعلاء! التنوع لا يعني بالضرورة عدم التناغم .. وفي غالب عدم التناغم يحدث عندما نحاول تهميش مكون أو أكثر أو عندما نحاول فرض مكون على أخر كما يدور بين أبطال هذا الخيط .. وموضوعيا تناغم هذا التنوع يتطلب الاعتراف بان هناك مجموعات سودانية لها تاريخ مختلف ومحترم وهذا التاريخ يؤهلها للانتماء للسودان الحديث
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في مسألة أسبقية الدولة وطرحها كمسألة استعمارية بحتة نظلم أنفسنا لان الاستعمار وجد فضاء سياسي متنوع ليغزوه فضاء معلوم المساحة بفضل علاقات قائمة بين كياناته المختلفة!ء

السودانوية هي تعبير لمكونات الهوية الحضارية للسودان وهي اعتراف بهذا التنوع دون استعلاء! التنوع لا يعني بالضرورة عدم التناغم .. وفي غالب عدم التناغم يحدث عندما نحاول تهميش مكون أو أكثر أو عندما نحاول فرض مكون على أخر كما يدور بين أبطال هذا الخيط .. وموضوعيا تناغم هذا التنوع يتطلب الاعتراف بان هناك مجموعات سودانية لها تاريخ مختلف ومحترم وهذا التاريخ يؤهلها للانتماء للسودان الحديث
Sultan! I'm not picking on you but let the truth be shiny ✨ and attractive, and captivating like gold. After all this lengthy explanation , I see that you're avoid all responsibility of building a modern, civil, secular state governed by a fair, secular constitution that embraces all citizens without any discrimination. As I said before, you're just trying to perpetuate the old system by minimizing its failure and beautify its ugliness. In another words, is to say that you re-inventing the old Sudan, the old system by repackaging it in a new box. That's what it is, and nothing more. But am here to tell you this is not gonna work. The fact is an old lady 👵 is an old lady, no matter how much make up she put on; it wouldn't change the reality. We're not trying to be heroes here, we're simply stating the truth as it is, in hope of bringing about a genuine peace for Sudanese people. Let me ask you a question, I know you love it when I asked you for clarification. . So your Sudan al-hadeeth is different than our New Sudan ? Right? ,
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حاجة ترفع الضغط من الصباح
الحقيقة الظاهره .... العرب دخلو ا السودان بعد الأسلام
و النوبة موجودة على مر العصور و الاديان السماوية
لو فى فئة تمكنت و حورت التاريخ دا ما معناها
إنه خلاص التاريخ كدا
نحن عارفين تاريخنا و العارف عزو مستريح
بس خلاص
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حاجة ترفع الضغط من الصباح
الحقيقة الظاهره .... العرب دخلو ا السودان بعد الأسلام
و النوبة موجودة على مر العصور و الاديان السماوية
لو فى فئة تمكنت و حورت التاريخ دا ما معناها
إنه خلاص التاريخ كدا
نحن عارفين تاريخنا و العارف عزو مستريح
بس خلاص





الحاجة الاسمها دخول العرب دى وهم دخلو فينا المستعمر ليضعنا فى مواجهة بعض..


لا وجود لعرب باستثناء الرشايدة ...

ودخولهم المعروف...
المجموعات المصنفة على انهم عرب ديل كوشيين من شعب مروى ومقرا وعلوا ...


النوبيين اغلبم كوشيين ومعهم بدو نوباد اتى بهم الرومان ليقاتلوا الكوشيين اواخر فترة مروى
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الحاجة الاسمها دخول العرب دى وهم دخلو فينا المستعمر ليضعنا فى مواجهة بعض..


لا وجود لعرب باستثناء الرشايدة ...

ودخولهم المعروف...
المجموعات المصنفة على انهم عرب ديل كوشيين من شعب مروى ومقرا وعلوا ...


النوبيين اغلبم كوشيين ومعهم بدو نوباد اتى بهم الرومان ليقاتلوا الكوشيين اواخر فترة مروى
Divide and conquer, the golden rule of a colonialism. Now, the racist Arabist colonialists are polishing it to its brightest degree. These cunning Arabist colonialists are resorting to every thing to justify their pillaging of the beloved Nubia. Genocidal wars, racism, and oppression of the indigenous populations of Sudan, needed a mythology to be justified. That's the main objective of the crypto-Sudanese called Arabists. The Arabization policies require some outrageous myth for its perpetuation and to keep the indigenous populations in delusion and without identity.
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Divide and conquer, the golden rule of a colonialism. Now, the racist Arabist colonialists are polishing it to its brightest degree. These cunning Arabist colonialists are resorting to every thing to justify their pillaging of the beloved Nubia. Genocidal wars, racism, and oppression of the indigenous populations of Sudan, needed a mythology to be justified. That's the main objective of the crypto-Sudanese called Arabists. The Arabization policies require some outrageous myth for its perpetuation and to keep the indigenous populations in delusion and without identity.


Dividing us is ur ideology.

The kushite /kemetic origin is mine

You are the one who need to create arabs from no where so u can go and cry to your white sponsers in west.

U are the one who cannot soppurt his idea unless he make some of us as oppresser Arabs and the rest as marginalized black african
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Dividing us is ur ideology.

The kushite /kemetic origin is mine

You are the one who need to create arabs from no where so u can go and cry to your white sponsers in west.

U are the one who cannot soppurt his idea unless he make some of us as oppresser Arabs and the rest as marginalized black african
Yea, right! NIF ( National Islamic Front) is Kushitic Movement? The religious fervor and cries to mobilize for genocidal wars against the Native Sudanese is Kushitic thing? When the genocidal war criminal Bashier cried that the Sudanese culture is 100% Arabic and Islamic, this is also kushitic culture? Right? Joining the Arab Alliance war against Yemen is also for the sake of Kush. The Arabs are kushites , not Sumerians. Could some body, please, pull out the Noah's genealogical chart here please. We need to confirm an outrageous myth. Arabs are Kushites ? Wow, only those suffering from identity crisis and are hell bent can can assumed this pseudo-identity of yours and believe your horse 🐴 shit 💩 mythology. Wow, this is Sudan al-hadeeth! Allahu Akbar! Very modern! Kush is a Modern Sudan. Define Sudan? Please!
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Yea, right! NIF ( National Islamic Front) is Kushitic Movement? The religious fervor and cries to mobilize for genocidal wars against the Native Sudanese is Kushitic thing? When the genocidal war criminal Bashier cried that the Sudanese culture is 100% Arabic and Islamic, this is also kushitic culture? Right? Joining the Arab Alliance war against Yemen is also for the sake of Kush. The Arabs are kushites , not Sumerians. Could some body, please, pull out the Noah's genealogical chart here please. We need to confirm an outrageous myth. Arabs are Kushites ? Wow, only those suffering from identity crisis and are hell bent can can assumed this pseudo-identity of yours and believe your horse 🐴 shit 💩 mythology. Wow, this is Sudan al-hadeeth! Allahu Akbar! Very modern! Kush is a Modern Sudan. Define Sudan? Please!


Please talk to me as a sudanese to sudanese?
Amnt NCP or NIF ya man.



The outcame of sudan polotical turmoil .cant be applyid on histry.

The intire nunsense trash . Gallaba. Arabs. Islamist .. kizan ...



You are the other side of the coin of sudan tormoil.
Which the islamoarabs is the other side.
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Please talk to me as a sudanese to sudanese?
Amnt NCP or NIF ya man.



The outcame of sudan polotical turmoil .cant be applyid on histry.

The intire nunsense trash . Gallaba. Arabs. Islamist .. kizan ...



You are the other side of the coin of sudan tormoil.
Which the islamoarabs is the other side.
Then stop behaving like a political, fanatic Islamist and turn your gun toward the racist Arabists, if you think you're any different than them. You're constructing a myth for Arabization and Islamization policies in Sudan which are responsible for genocidal wars and this can not go unchallenged. Once you start fighting the racist Arabists and Islamic fanatics and embrace the New Sudan project and its objectives then I'll consider you a brother and a true Sudanese at heart. But if you gonna beat around the bush with this Kushite mythology. Goood luck! .
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What is abundantly clear from your trolls is you have understood very little of what I have said in this thread! So, as far as I am concerned there is nothing more to say to you!
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What is abundantly clear from your trolls is you have understood very little of what I have said in this thread! So, as far as I am concerned there is nothing more to say to you!
Sultan Kabbir! Truth is truth, reality is reality. A genuine, true peace require a practical approach which you people are avoiding. Genocidal wars, racist Arabization and Islamization policies must be eliminated for a true peace to come. Am just stating the naked truth as it's and nothing more. New Sudan wayeaaa!
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Then stop behaving like a political, fanatic Islamist and turn your gun toward the racist Arabists, if you think you're any different than them. You're constructing a myth for Arabization and Islamization policies in Sudan which are responsible for genocidal wars and this can not go unchallenged. Once you start fighting the racist Arabists and Islamic fanatics and embrace the New Sudan project and its objectives then I'll consider you a brother and a true Sudanese at heart. But if you gonna beat around the bush with this Kushite mythology. Goood luck! .
Lmme show u this:

Am writing about kushite/kemetic origin of sudanese groups

To find away out for all of us as sudanese poeple
Away from both of you radical arabised and radical nubianized.

This fake divistion into african nubians vs arabs hv but us against eachother and lead us to no where.

This division is the reason behind our relentless war against eachother.
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Lmme show u this:

Am writing about kushite/kemetic origin of sudanese groups

To find away out for all of us as sudanese poeple
Away from both of you radical arabised and radical nubianized.

This fake divistion into african nubians vs arabs hv but us against eachother and lead us to no where.

This division is the reason behind our relentless war against eachother.
Good, excellent! Can you please start preaching that at the presidential palace to those genocidal war criminals who are issuing Arabization and Islamization policies and giving war orders. If not then all you're doing is looking for a way to acquit them from their war crimes. You're basically demoralizing and corrupting justice.
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